Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)
Korean-style Insei
League on KGS.
They have
almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon
Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others
There are 5
groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one
Students of
10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part
Each group
consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month
with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There
is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in
online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.
Teachers usually play their games
simultaneously on 4-5 boards. They play
even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games
with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group
There are 2
teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:
1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will
teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.
2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with
the aggressive playing style – he will make you stronger at fighting.
You will
see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.
At the end
of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next
group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.
The entry
fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)
All groups have
own prize fund, made from entry fees:
A group:
1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$
B, C, D, E
groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$
Places are
decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play
at least 10
games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents
Teachers can
take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in
simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)
Time
control:
30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games
30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous
At the end
of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most
times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline
study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are
not allowed to get this grant.
25% of your
games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play –
more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.
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We plan to
start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010
4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too,including 4 lectures in Russian
Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games. If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews. Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual: 10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games 10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous
6.Preferred
method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)
December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.
Our waiting
line is unusual.If you pay early, but
there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio
lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get
vacant places.
If we
decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.
So, still accepting new members!
December 29: If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games, you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few) with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game. Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks running on week-ends). It means about 3-4 moves per game every day. Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and must be played on the standard handicap for your division. On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games - you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city) - but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)
Peter Dijkema
( NL ) 2009-11-24 07:11
In my reports to EuroGoTV.com/news, AGA e-Journal and Dutch magazine GO, I introduced the acronym KILL for your leagues. I added one 'L' for "Live" (on KGS) and renamed it: "Korean-style International Live Leagues". This title should be understandable, even to outsiders.
I stress 'Live', as I guess that everyone can watch the games on KGS!
ernie
2d ( DE ) 2009-11-23 03:11
I think, the price is justifiable, if you see it as an exclusive training club having games reviewed and played against your teachers.
The biggest problem on my side, would be time. Even playing each group member once a month looks difficult. In holiday season this would be even worse.
Danigabi
6d ( AR ) 2009-11-22 09:11
I was thinking over the details of the league. Although i dont find anything wrong for the teachers to win the prize, there is a bit of a conflict of interests.
I think people in general would feel more comfortable if in the case the teacher won, there would be special conditions.
At KBC , when we played betting tournaments, if they teachers won there were usually 2 followups:
the money was put in jackpot for the next league
the money was used for community spenditures (like ice cream for all, and or when we went out drinking).
The second choice is a little difficult in this case :). But for example, you could make that if the teachers won, they keep half the prize and the other one goes to the
grant or something similar. Teachers play in the 4 leagues which mean that you can potentially keep much of the prizes. if you only kept half of them until the grant money was keeped up it would be nice.
Its a long discussion, not to have on comments here :).
breakfast
2009-11-22 05:11
Yes, you can pay for 1 month in advance and make the decision to stop or continue later.
puros
2d ( AR ) 2009-11-22 03:11
Hello,
can someone register for only 1 month or there is a minimum entry fee? Thanks
Imperator
2009-11-21 09:11
Personally I agree that there should be some kind of incentive, be it cash or something else, for winning. It keeps the competitive spirit up.
To get some real value out of a tournament, it is best that everybody play their sharpest.
Aoiro
9k 2009-11-21 08:11
I really like your idea, the initiative and the will to put new ideas forward. That is a kind of spirit that is needed to keep things moving. Personally, I think you should remove the prize money and lower the monthly fee accordingly. Being an insei in your league should be a matter of being proud to be allowed to be there, to study with you, to be honored to play with the other inseis in the groups. The motivation should not be a few dollars, but the chance to join the experience, and to get to the next group. However you proceed, I wish you the best.
breakfast
2009-11-19 12:11
Yes, we will have a schedule for simultaneous games. The person, who played less teaching games in current league will have an advantage.
We have US members already and I promise to make the league comfortable for them!
SHL
( US ) 2009-11-19 08:11
I have some logistical questions:
I am most interested in having the opportunity to play with the teachers. I imagine that the schedule for the simultaneous games will be posted in advance each month? Will it be "first come first serve"? Or will anyone interested always be allowed to play? Or will there be a "quota"?
And, may I ask whether the schedule will be very inconvenient for someone living in the US (that is, either too early or too late)? I ask because I imagine most people who register will be living in Europe, (or am I wrong)?
breakfast
2009-11-18 07:11
I plan to start, if I find at least 30 members