Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)
Korean-style Insei
League on KGS.
They have
almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon
Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others
There are 5
groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one
Students of
10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part
Each group
consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month
with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There
is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in
online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.
Teachers usually play their games
simultaneously on 4-5 boards. They play
even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games
with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group
There are 2
teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:
1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will
teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.
2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with
the aggressive playing style – he will make you stronger at fighting.
You will
see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.
At the end
of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next
group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.
The entry
fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)
All groups have
own prize fund, made from entry fees:
A group:
1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$
B, C, D, E
groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$
Places are
decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play
at least 10
games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents
Teachers can
take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in
simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)
Time
control:
30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games
30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous
At the end
of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most
times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline
study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are
not allowed to get this grant.
25% of your
games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play –
more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.
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We plan to
start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010
4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too,including 4 lectures in Russian
Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games. If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews. Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual: 10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games 10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous
6.Preferred
method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)
December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.
Our waiting
line is unusual.If you pay early, but
there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio
lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get
vacant places.
If we
decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.
So, still accepting new members!
December 29: If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games, you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few) with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game. Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks running on week-ends). It means about 3-4 moves per game every day. Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and must be played on the standard handicap for your division. On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games - you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city) - but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)
Just in case we have misunderstood. Will the league start without 40 people joining? Say, will you start the league even if you fill only 1 or two groups?
breakfast
2009-11-18 07:11
We have 13 registered inseis so far. Not bad for 2.5 days
I already started to work on online tournament table
Imperator
2009-11-18 06:11
tiny81:
Yes, I agree completely. It needs to grow. But to grow it needs a stable foundation, and it needs founders who have the energy to see it through while it is growing.
tiny81
5k 2009-11-18 06:11
@Imperator
Just to make it clear:
I am not saying you are wrong!
I am just saying you are to fast...
A project like this needs time to grow.
Imperator
2009-11-18 06:11
tiny81:
It seems it is the general opinion of people that this will not get of the ground. Even one of the holders himself:
"You can register right now, but please don’t pay us till we ask you to pay. Probably we cannot find enough members to start the project."
40 People is quite a lot of people on KGS. Generally if you see how many people study groups, even free lectures get it seems quite hard to get 40 people to join this, especially with this price.
Trying it a second time if the first time does not work, well, some people have the energy for that. Maybe they do, that is not for me to speculate.
Only reason why I am commenting so heavily on this subject is that I would very much like to see it happen. But when even the people running the league do not seem to think they can get enough people, maybe it should be adjusted somewhat to a more realistic format.
tiny81
5k 2009-11-18 05:11
@Imperator:
I think what you are saying does make sense, but so far its a potulate. We dont know if there will be enough people to start the league, or if the price has to be more "realistic". If so, breakfast may think about it and try it a second time, based on your suggestions.
But for now it does make sense to first look and see how many people are willing to join the league, before you are calling it dead.
Imperator
2009-11-18 05:11
Danigabi:
I respect you, and no offence, but you are being pretentious now.
You should not assume to much that people who are not you think the way you do about this. I run a local club, and we have been talking a lot about this league. How it would help KGS and is a good initiative, but we feel the price point is two high. We have also talked about what price people feel they could pay for this. Most people have said 35-40 dollar. Some of these people also spend quite a lot of their free time playing Go. These people include people taking lectures, people who have traveled to China to study etc.
You should not so easily dismiss the price thing, and you should not over generalize based only on your own experience.
Again, this league would be more useful if it actually where to be run, than if it would not happen.
So instead of dismissing feedback, what about listening to what people have to say and try to form an opinion of what needs to be done with this league to ensure that it would happen?
I feel this would be way more constructive.
tiny81
5k 2009-11-18 05:11
Sorry breakfast .. I think the question misses the point.
Ofcause we all like to have a teacher who is willing to teach! And to be willing to teach means both: Taking time as well as not showing off.
tiny81
5k 2009-11-18 05:11
Sorry breakfast .. I think the question misses the point.
Ofcause we all like to have a teacher how is willing to teach! And to be willing to teach means both: Taking time as well not showing off.
breakfast
2009-11-18 05:11
But was is better for you? Teacher, who plays in his full strength, or teacher, who plays as fast as possible, because he wants to finish his game quickly and start a new one?