Korean Insei League on KGS - Join now! (updated on Dec31)
Korean-style Insei
League on KGS.
They have
almost the same system in largest Korean schools: Heo Jahghei, 9p academy, Kwon
Kapmyun’s academy, Yangchun Dail, Lee Sedol’s school and others
There are 5
groups: A, B, C, D and E. A is the strongest one
Students of
10-kyu and stronger are allowed taking part
Each group
consists of 10 students, who play with each other (maximum 4 games per month
with the same opponent) and 2 teachers (teachers don’t meet with each other). There
is no pairing – students can meet each other any time and put the results in
online table, which counts the winning % and current places automatically.
Teachers usually play their games
simultaneously on 4-5 boards. They play
even games with A group members, 2-stones games with B group, 3-stones games
with C group, 4 stones games with D group and 5 stones with E group
There are 2
teachers, both studied Go in Korea for a very long time:
1. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p (breakfast on KGS) – the owner of the peaceful playing style – he will
teach you how to play well in fuseki and yose.
2. Ilya Shikshin 7d (roln111 on KGS) –with
the aggressive playing style – he will make you stronger at fighting.
You will
see that they have completely different styles of playing handicap games.
At the end
of the each month best 2 students (with highest winning %) promote to the next
group, and 2 students with less impressive results go down.
The entry
fee is 95 usd/ month (including 8 simultaneous games, 16 lectures and up to 11 reviews)
All groups have
own prize fund, made from entry fees:
A group:
1-place: 200$, 2-place: 100$, 3-place: 50$
B, C, D, E
groups: 1-place: 100$, 2-place: 50$
Places are
decided by the highest winning percentage. To win the prize you have to play
at least 10
games (from 44 possible games) per month with at least 5 different opponents
Teachers can
take cash prizes too, so they are also interested in winning their games in
simultaneous. Teachers are not allowed to take prizes, if they play less than 60% of all games. Also teachers have big bonuses, if they play 80, 90 and 100% of all games - you can be sure, that each teacher will try to play as many games as possible (to get these bonuses)
Time
control:
30 min + 30 sec byoyomi- 5 times for insei vs insei games
30 min + 60 sec byoyomi -5 times for for simultaneous
At the end
of the each year the student, who showed best results (who won A-league most
times) will get a 1000$ grant, which can be used for private lessons, offline
study trips to Korea, Japan or China, Go books or Go equipment. Teachers are
not allowed to get this grant.
25% of your
games will be reviewed offline by Alexander Dinerchtein. More games you play –
more reviews you get! You will get these reviews once a week by e-mail.
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We plan to
start the league from Jan, 1 – 2010
4 professional players (Chun Pongjho 8p, An Younggil 8p, Lee Hajin 3p and Cho Mikyung 1p) joined the project as lectors. They will review your games online in audio format. We will have 16 lectures in total every month. Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p will give some lectures too,including 4 lectures in Russian
Last week-end of the month is for Blitz games. If you was very busy during the month, you can play lot of blitz games at the end and get your reviews. Main time control for last Saturday and Sunday of every month is 3 times shorter than usual: 10 min, 30 sec byoyomi - 5 times for insei vs insei games 10 min, 60 sec byoyomi - 5 times for simultaneous
6.Preferred
method of payment (Paypal, Moneybookers,Webmoney, WesternUnion etc)
December 12: We already accepted 50 players. We don't plan to add more groups, so others will be in the waiting line.
Our waiting
line is unusual.If you pay early, but
there are no empty places available, you are allowed to observe all audio
lectures free of charge till you join us in February or March, when we get
vacant places.
If we
decide to stop the project, you will get 100% money back.
So, still accepting new members!
December 29: If you have an account on DGS and prefer slow games, you can get your teaching games here, instead of KGS. You can play all 8 games (or just few) with both teachers at the same time for an extra fee $2 per game. Time control must be set as 30 days absolute (no byoyomi, with clocks running on week-ends). It means about 3-4 moves per game every day. Such games will be count as standard simultaneous games on KGS and must be played on the standard handicap for your division. On DGS you can also meet the members of your group - we accept the results of such games. As you may know we also accept offline games - you can play even in the local club (if you live in the same city) - but please write and upload the SGF of your game (at least 100 moves)
"We will also invite one or several professional teachers to read the lectures"
... so there will be some kind of lectures for Insei League as well.
just a differnet focus...
Insei League: focus on your games and reviews for them, but less lectures.
Juan Guo Group Class: focus on lectures, but less reviews for your games.
Nef
7k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 02:11
About Guo Juans "Group Class".. I don't see any lectures here =) Students just plays as usual on KGS, have additional system/site/rank (i mean not just play at KGS, but account every single game by a unique way: adding it to a special table etc.) and up to 11 reviews.. + Plus chanse to play vs high dan players. and even win the prize. =) Where is Group Class?.. i don't see. its a different focuses? hmm you're right =)
Nef
7k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 02:11
2tiny81:
Nevermind ) Anyway if there are 40 students, who dont ask, and just pays 95$ for learning this way, i don't see any problems =)
p.s. And i know some pro-teacher, who takes 95$ for 11 reviews. And he gets really even much less for his own, cause of prize-grant system =)
han
2009-11-17 02:11
100 dollars is nothing.
tiny81
5k ( DE ) 2009-11-17 01:11
@nef:
I am sorry .. but I dont get your hint!
I dont know any pro-teacher how would take only 30$ for 4 games...
nef
7k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 12:11
lets count my way )
44 games/month
25% reviewed (11 games)
95$/month (950-150)/10 (minus monthly prizes)
approx. 7,27$ per review
its really not so expensive in my opinion, but if student had a chance to pay only for reviews - it is possible to play 4 games vs teachers and all other games for free for only 30$/month for example ;) i hope my hint was clear enough..
in this case we have some problem with prizes and grants =)
tiny81
5k 2009-11-17 11:11
Since so may of you argue about the price, lets compare it with Guo Juans "Group Class".
The Group Classes of Guo Juan costs 120 Euros per term, where a term covers roughly two month and 120? is about double the prize of 90$.
So I would say the price is preety much comparable.
The difference is that the Group Classes focus mainly on lectures and only the stronges two students of each class get the chance of playing a simul game with one of the teachers, where as the Insei League focus on playing. Futher more in the Group Classes only one game a week, will be reviewed from one of the teachers, whereas Alexander Dinerchtein promise to review 25% of all games.
I think this offer is great!
So join... and make it happen ;-)
simon
( RU ) 2009-11-17 11:11
i think the fee is too high, especially for Russia. what a pity...
breakfast
2009-11-17 11:11
Prizes are not big enough for cheating - I made them only because usually you think more deeply in Go, if you know, that you can get something at the end.
riborn
2k ( RU ) 2009-11-17 10:11
"The entry fee is 95 usd/ month"
Pay every month? 95 * 12?