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2012-06-30 Expert: DanielTom Rate: (0)

One More Time: MilanMilan's remarks on kghin

Peter Liu 2p (MilanMilan 9d) made some more provocative remarks about kghin 8d (Chi Hin Chan).

That happened after MilanMilan lost yet another game to kghin by time (because of bad connection). You can see their game at the top: Black's play in the upper left corner was quite desperate, and after move 88 (White H10) the game seemed over. Yet, somehow, kghin managed to pull off a win.

Peter then called some of kghin's moves "illegal", and said that he was a "hopeless child" from Hong Kong who had "lost [his] spirit of a go player".

It should be noted that, as Peter explained, his comments were meant to be about kghin's Go, and obviously not about his life. Indeed, during the game, kghin actually added time (to compensate for the lag) to his opponent a few times, which was a kind gesture. Nevertheless, Peter insisted that the game was meaningless, and gave his own analyzes of kghin's Go future:

MilanMilan: his go career finished already

When asked to clarify this comment, Peter claimed that kghin's achievements were not impressive, since he has a "much better environment" to learn Go compared to the youth of Europe; in addition, kghin can take part in tournaments in Asia and has an 8-dan pro teacher.

Regarding kghin's achievement at the World Amateur Go Championship (4th place), MilanMilan declared that it "doesn't mean anything" for the same reasons: he had already been learning Go for eight years and has a good teacher; Thomas Debarre (from France) also took 4th place in the previous WAGC and that, in contrast, was a great achievement because he didn't have the same opportunities to play with professionals.

 In fact, MilanMilan claims that in Asia it should take three years "at most" to reach kghin's level. (Peter noted in passing that when he was 14 he could give kghin reverse komi...) He says that two years ago kghin had the chance to "be great", if he had done it right. But now he thinks that he will not improve much more, because "Go is a game about spirit".

As for the "illegal" moves kghin supposedly makes, MilanMilan says that we know they are "wrong" and "ugly" for an 8d. He stated that 9-dans don't make the same moves as kghin, and says that some of those moves are "very bad", but adds that kghin may not know that yet.

 Chi Hin Chan (kghin)


When asked why he picks on kghin in particular, Peter replied: "he is Chinese; I am more strict with him because I hope he can be great". On the one hand, he says that it's a matter of principle, and that kghin disappointed him. On the other hand, he seems to fear that kghin, just like many other young players with potential, could "become lost", and so he doesn't want to sound too harsh.

Indeed, Peter doesn't want to upset anyone: "I am not very strong, I also made mistakes, I want to win all my games... but I insist on my principle". 


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tiffsguica 2013-08-07 10:08
1D ( US ) 2013-05-19 05:05
Gotta love how everyone here is bashing Milan and saying he thinks he's above everyone else, but I guess I'm the only one hear who read the last line of the article, "I am not very strong,... but I insist on my principle." Doesn't sound like something someone who was full of himself would say. Also, to the guy who said, "that guy tartate are just some nameless pro we never even heard of,no title, win nothing, accomplish nothing." I'd like to point out that becoming pro in go is VERY hard and a big accomplishment. Can you honestly say you've done anything half as impressive as that?
matthew bird
2d ( US ) 2012-08-29 10:08
It would be one thing if he won and he wished to give advice to him. But this is a personal attack (yes I know he said its just about the Go, but that is still personal). It's an attack on a young boy who isn't even interested in Go. To attack a young boy using vague speech about "spirit" seems petty. If you want to talk spirit, you might wanna back up alllll the way to yourself and investigate your own intentions. Go is far more complex than even Mr. Milan could ever hope to understand entirely, and that is just a fact. Hubris.
7d ( KR ) 2012-08-18 07:08
I see someone cleared my comment with "Kghin" before. I suppose you don't know what are jokes. Well, I'll say it here again : Milan is only saying that when he's losing against Kghin, because he's so frustrated. He's just a small professional player who thinks he can say anything he wants. 'Should try to improve his way of playing first.
8d ( KR ) 2012-07-22 11:07
thanks for good news
Milan is crazy
1d ( US ) 2012-07-22 10:07
Wow, Milan is either crazy or poorly informed. Thomas Debarre has been receiving extensive instruction from Guo Juan and her pro associates for a long time in Europe. She mentions his name so frequently. Milan seems like a petty small person.
9d ( VA ) 2012-07-16 12:07
all bullshit, the so call milanmilan, and that guy tartate are just some nameless pro we never even heard of,no title, win nothing, accomplish nothing. Honinbo Shuei talent bloom late. Who can judge who>
5k ( HK ) 2012-07-13 07:07
Hong Kong is not exactly the best environment to become a pro at go.

Adults here play xiangqi much more than go.

While children in HK may be encouraged by their parents to learn the game of go and to become good at it, but they are not expected to turn pro.

It's probably more a means for parents to help their kids get an edge in HK's competitive school environment than a way to look forward to making a living from the game.

When you have hundreds of kids applying for dozens of spots at each of the various playgroups, preschools, and kindergartens which feed higher level prestigious schools, being outstanding and acknowledged for various achievements is very helpful.
2012-07-08 12:07
For someone who doesn't care about rank he sure moans a lot.

I have to admit, I'd be pissed too if I were professional and lost games to an amateur who admits he isn't even that serious about the game...
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